tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post9034414224531057212..comments2023-10-30T13:24:29.258+01:00Comments on YK's Sofer Blog - Jewish Scribe - לבלר סופר: The New and Old PehYKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-71432767743111723982012-05-14T15:27:38.218+02:002012-05-14T15:27:38.218+02:00Oneday,
I didn't know about that article but ...Oneday,<br /><br />I didn't know about that article but I will read it when I have time.<br /><br />About Lion of Zion, he's a fellow blogger who deals with Judaica and has very interesting posts about Judaica in general.<br /><br />If you email me, I will put you in touch with him. But his blog is not centered in Safrus and I don't have access to it.<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-10261221235168558362012-05-13T21:35:08.161+02:002012-05-13T21:35:08.161+02:00Hey YK, have you read this post buy the Vaad? http...Hey YK, have you read this post buy the Vaad? http://theworldofstam.blogspot.com/2012/01/blog-post_30.html , It talks about how the Kesiva Tamah got into the Mishna Berura and how it effected the that we use. Also how what the Kesiva Tamah says is in [square parenthesis] its pretty interesting. Fascinating how safrus is changing. <br /><br />Another thing, there is this blog Lion of Zion, how can I get access to it? its only for invited readers. If it is about Safrus I would appreciate your help to join.OneDayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04776978195297945551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-47461985504822495152010-03-10T06:58:49.441+01:002010-03-10T06:58:49.441+01:00yes
but are you referring to the sefer torah or to...yes<br />but are you referring to the sefer torah or to the megillah?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-64205591946915637502010-03-09T21:47:18.827+01:002010-03-09T21:47:18.827+01:00Lion,
I just checked your Torah's pics and it...Lion,<br /><br />I just checked your Torah's pics and it's an old Peh indeed, and if you compare it to my manuscript yours is more slight and therefore more precise. May I post it so the others can see it too?<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-31523868804166888072010-03-09T21:06:42.454+01:002010-03-09T21:06:42.454+01:00what about pehs in my megillah?what about pehs in my megillah?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-31485740529710529562010-03-07T21:20:50.213+01:002010-03-07T21:20:50.213+01:00I finally got through the Chabad Sofer and I updat...I finally got through the Chabad Sofer and I updated the post with more info and pictures.<br /><br />You guys were right!YKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-41293644667158388692010-03-03T17:09:35.809+01:002010-03-03T17:09:35.809+01:00oh yeah. forgot about that post.
btw, i post rece...oh yeah. forgot about that post.<br /><br />btw, i post recently a picture of a megillah with what i assume are hunchbacked pehs.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-89132070494606923332010-02-26T13:14:16.691+01:002010-02-26T13:14:16.691+01:00And to the other guys:
I'm still running after...And to the other guys:<br />I'm still running after a Chabad sofer that lives in Antwerp - he is one of the most knowledgeable Sofrim but he is very busy. But I will get the answer soon.YKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-85681165355941845742010-02-26T13:10:59.571+01:002010-02-26T13:10:59.571+01:00Lion,
I got to know about Machon Ot through you! ...Lion,<br /><br />I got to know about Machon Ot through you! See my repost here: http://lavlor.blogspot.com/2009/06/jewish-week-article.html<br /><br />Their site is http://www.ott.co.il/<br /><br />About the Peh Lefufa, I need more resources before writing a decent post. <br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-5814884337917457342010-02-25T05:35:21.303+01:002010-02-25T05:35:21.303+01:00i was disappointed when i started reading because ...i was disappointed when i started reading because i thought the post was about peh lefufa. but of course the post was fascinating nonetheless.<br /><br />"they even found the name of the sofer"<br /><br />how?<br />what is machon ot?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-50918522026875817452010-02-16T09:55:18.167+01:002010-02-16T09:55:18.167+01:00yudi,
That's really cool - how can they know ...yudi,<br /><br />That's really cool - how can they know the name of the sofer?<br /><br />If you email me the pic I will post it so we can discuss.<br /><br />I'm still doing my homework about the real Chabad Peh but I should get an answer today.<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-70677580254605483962010-02-16T05:45:04.009+01:002010-02-16T05:45:04.009+01:00it was dated by machon ott to be 120 years old, ii...it was dated by machon ott to be 120 years old, iirc. (they even found the name of the sofer).<br /><br />i looked at the torah again this morning, and it looks like it has some sort of compromise :). ill try and send you a picture in a couple days...yudi bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-44441902913945382872010-02-15T10:26:16.675+01:002010-02-15T10:26:16.675+01:00Yudi,
That's very interesting. Having in mind...Yudi,<br /><br />That's very interesting. Having in mind that the MB's first print was in late 18th century, 120 years seem to be just in the edge and perhaps this Sefer Torah is from a community that adopted the MB's ruling early in the game.<br /><br />But how do you know that this Torah is exactly 120 years old ?<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-70548482708548569882010-02-15T10:23:27.299+01:002010-02-15T10:23:27.299+01:00zalman,
If you and jskarf both say that the Ktav ...zalman,<br /><br />If you and jskarf both say that the Ktav Chabad is indeed not shavur I will have to double check my claim.<br /><br />In my shul there's an old Chabad Torah and the Peh IS shavur, and not like this picture. I will see if I can take a picture so we can discuss further.<br /><br />It's interesting what you said about the Shulchan Aruch Harav. My source says that this Ktav is brought down in one of the later Tshuvot of the Alter rebbe but i don't know the specifics. I will ask him.<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-67808325848097217922010-02-15T04:05:26.431+01:002010-02-15T04:05:26.431+01:00interesting you say this, because we use a sefer t...interesting you say this, because we use a sefer torah thats approx 120 years old from russia thats has the "new" peh...yudi bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-3414085452575604602010-02-15T00:34:43.992+01:002010-02-15T00:34:43.992+01:00There is a lot to say about this issue, but just t...There is a lot to say about this issue, but just to be brief, I would echo what jskarf already said, that the Pei which you have in the picture the MB would not have any problem with. It is not at all Shavur Mibachutz and it is round. On the contrary, the reason why sofrim would write the pei with the hunchback is because to write the pei according to the AR Ksav (which BTW is not the ksav which is found in the Shulchan Aruch Harav, but rather a different Ksav that was passed down from the AR's Sofer-Reb Reuven MaYanovich) you have to angle the kulmos and pull it down, which could take considerable skill, and they therefore wrote a Pei Shavur. <br />It should be noted that when writing the style pei which is comman these days, in order to fill in the inner part of the pei, you have to use the point of the kulmos, which is closer to drawing than to writing. It is highly doubtful that the current pei is the one that the MB had in mind.<br />Here are a few links:http://www.torahscrolls.net/product_info.php/cPath/1_7/products_id/226?osCsid=d4788686a46506b988330d4ff08cc148<br />On the top line you can see a pei, which is clearly not an Ois Shavur.<br />http://www.askmoses.com/en/torah_view_scribe.html<br />This is a video of a Sofer writing "Ksav Chabad" and and the beginning of line 5 there is a Pei.zalmannhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-32447365498460872592010-02-14T11:58:02.346+01:002010-02-14T11:58:02.346+01:00jskarf,
That Peh in the Alphabet image is impreci...jskarf,<br /><br />That Peh in the Alphabet image is imprecise, I think. I've seen Chabad scrolls and they do have the 90 degrees turn. I couldn't find any other Alphabet picture so I used this one, but another imprecision is the Bet - slightly different than the actual Chabad Bet I've seen.<br /><br />YKYKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10778564250634479028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3293749640163975885.post-42914073816257720792010-02-14T09:12:00.666+01:002010-02-14T09:12:00.666+01:00The pei in the alphabet you show isn't a broke...The pei in the alphabet you show isn't a broken pei. The mishna berura would be fine with a pei as shown. It's made with a penstroke that doesn't really make a drastic change of direction. Contrast that with the image above, in which the back of the pei turns almost 90 degrees. That's the problematic "broken" pei.jskarfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10423812072872223621noreply@blogger.com